It’s one thing to spend time in the company of an artist, a master craftsman, and an uncompromising intellectual; in this conversation, Jamy takes things to a whole ‘nother level. The man is a mensch. Thanks once again to Jamy, acclaimed magician and author of The Conjurer’s Conundrum, for taking time to share his perspectives on critical thinking, scientific skepticism, and the magic of learning/ learning of magic. We were joined by learners who work with me, Jamy’s publishers, attendees from Japan, Canada, New York, Ireland, and – in a historic first – my son’s room down the hall.
Here is the recording, followed by a timeline with links and notes. I hope you find a rabbit hole worth exploring further. If you’d like to contribute an idea or a resource, or if you’d like more examples and links to the coursework I do with learners on the public internet, please Contact me – I look forward to continuing the conversation.
THE PREGAME SHOW
Before the webinar even started, Jamy dived right in and we discussed a few things worth sharing:
- The profile Adam Gopnik wrote about Jamy for The New Yorker, which Jamy described as, “The best thing written for the public in my lifetime about magic.”
- Christopher Hitchens
- Books by Adam Gopnik (with honorable mentions for Angels and Ages – “We are all pebbles dropped in the sea of history” – and Paris to the Moon, a collection of essays about Gopnik’s time in Paris with his wife and infant son)
- David Remnick (at The New Yorker)
- Hendrik Hertzberg – sounds sorta like Remnick – Gopnik’s editor
- Spit-take
- Mark Stutzman
- The New Yorker’s profile of Ricky Jay
- “Ricky Jay & His 52 Assistants” directed by David Mamet
- Keith Richards’ biography
- Neil Gaiman (Jamy is a credited advisor in the acknowledgements to Gaiman’s most famous book, American Gods)
- Amanda Palmer
- Amanda Palmer’s TED talk: “The Art of Asking”
- Richard Saul Wurman (honorable mention: Richard Saul Wurman on a course blog post I wrote about BIG QUESTIONS)
- Chris Anderson
- Kickstarter
THE MAIN EVENT
From here on, the notes and links correspond to the timing in the recording. Enjoy!
00:05 The publishers of Jamy‘s new book, The Conjurer’s Conundrum
00:30 Open-Source Learning
00:55 Neil Gaiman
01:56 Penn & Teller (Jamy has been a friend and associate of Penn & Teller’s for decades; he was a writer, magic designer, and associate producer on their FX variety series, “Penn & Teller’s Sin City Spectacular” circa 1998-99)
03:59 “All Along the Watchtower” performed by Jimi Hendrix (to illustrate Jamy’s point by comparison, here’s the original version by Bob Dylan)
04:51 Jamy’s mentor Johnny Thompson (Jamy wrote Thompson’s collected works, “The Magic of Johnny Thompson,” published by Magicana)
05:26 Alex Boyce
05:57 Tannen’s Magic
07:36 Lou Tannen
08:39 Michael Weber: “We don’t keep secrets from you. We keep secrets FOR you.”
09:46 Ricky Jay
09:50 The Prestige
11:16 From The Conjurer’s Conundrum: story of the white owl exhibition by Mark Wilson
11:45 The Asrah Levitation
15:04 “The audience needs something, the audience is seeking something. And if I give them what they need, and I have a little patience…”
16:03 Leon Festinger
16:48 http://honestliar.com/ Website that focuses on Jamey’s skeptic activism
17:04 Karl Germain: “The conjurer is the most honest of professionals.”
17:25 James “The Amazing” Randi / “In many ways, the founder of the American skepticism movement.”
19:52 “It’s the awareness that what’s being done is impossible. That makes magic interesting, compelling, engaging memorable, because it violates people’s knowledge and experience. It creates that cognitive dissonance, what my friend Whit Haydn calls a burr under the saddle of the mind.”
21:25 psychokinesis
21:42 “Neuro-linguistic programming is merely a self promoting self-sustaining industry that has absolutely no substantial science to support it.”
24:40 “The scientific skepticism movement is basically a pro science movement.”
25:25 “Bad thinking leads to bad decisions and choices, which leads to bad outcomes. And the anti-vax movement is the absolute crystallization of that… The world became more dangerous for my kids in school because of the anti-vax movement.”
28:43 “Magicians have crossed paths with issues of critical thinking and rational inquiry – and promoting that – for at least 400 years in the literature.”
28:58 First book written in English about magic: The Discoverie of Witchcraft by Reginald Scot, 1584
31:09 Artscience by David Edwards
34:27 Brooklyn College
36:36 David Laibman: Marxist economist, ragtime guitarist, inspiring professor
37:56 “If you’re going to be an artist, you need to do three things…”
40:51 Autodidacts
43:06 Jamy’s sword of social justice was forged as a student activist, beginning as a trick-or-treater for UNICEF when he attended the Woodward School in Brooklyn. Jamy would go on to help close his high school twice and take over his college.
45:48 Dr. Strangelove
45:56 First Earth Day during college –> Jamy becomes a wolf handler
48:06 Robert Kennedy: “There are those who look at the way things are and ask why… I dream of things that never were, and ask: ‘Why not?’”
48:45 Edward Tufte (Jamy – the only person to co-author one of Tufte’s books – co-authored the chapter “Explaining Magic” in Tufte’s book, Visual Explanations published by Graphics Press)
49:02 National Capital Area Skeptics
49:06 Chip Denman
57:31 Jamy talks to a UX/UI audience about empathy
1:02:36 Danny Hillis
1:09:26 Occam’s Razor
1:10:39 Ernest Hemingway on evaluating the credibility of sources of information: “The most essential gift for a good writer is a built-in, shockproof, shit detector.”
1:10:56 Demon Haunted World: Science as a Candle in the Dark by Carl Sagan
1:16:01 Marshall McLuhan: “Anyone who tries to make a distinction between education and entertainment doesn’t know the first thing about either.”
1:18:12 William Conrad
1:19:42 Bubkes
Thank you for joining, watching, and/or reading. For more on the magic of learning, Contact me – for more on the learning of magic, Contact Jamy.